[转]来自Jimmy大叔:No Karo?  No Problem!
93°2010/03/06喷气推进 IP:广东
07年的,貌似对我们中国地区的爱好者没什么帮助。
不过我已经有karo了。


Karo Syrup is corn syrup.  Any other brand of corn syrup may be substituted for Karo.  

Dextrose may be substituted for Karo Syrup, yielding a very similar propellant.


Fructose may be added, giving it even better texture.

Golden Syrup may be used by itself to make a good Rcandy.


Also, I have heard that Glucose Syrup works just like corn syrup.  


KN/SU/DX

When I first released the recrystallization process to the Web, I was surprised that some correspondents in other countries asked:  "What is Karo Syrup?"  Well, it is a brand of light corn syrup, so common in the United States that it did not occur to me that corn syrup might be a novelty in other places.  Apparently it is.


Correspondents from several other countries could not find it.  A friend who went to vacation in Australia was sent to spy on the supermarkets, where she was unable to locate any brand of corn syrup.

Someone on SugPro (apologies, I forgot who) sent me the list of contents for Karo Syrup, indicating it is primarily water, dextrose, fructose, and lesser amounts of other sugars.  

Hoping that dextrose alone would offer the texturizing benefits of corn syrup, I tried this formula:

100g KNO3
  30g sucrose
  20g dextrose
     5 tablespoons (50ml) water  

It is processed the same way as in the original recipe, brought to a boil, poured into glass pie pans, and cooked until dry.  The dry flakes are scraped up while hot, pressed into a cake, and kneaded until they consolidate and form a cohesive texture like clay or putty.  This SU/DX version is a little harder to consolidate than the traditional recipe, and required double-mixing.  By that I mean that when the propellant is dry enough to pass the "snap test" it should be scraped up and patted down as much as possible, returned to a 250 degree oven for 15 minutes or so, then worked again like a dough to develop its cohesive texture.

When feeling lazy, I put the hot flakes in my food-processor, which assists in development of good texture.  Sometimes it was necessary to remove the propellant from the food-processor, return it to the oven to re-heat, and process again.

The proportions given here are subject to refinement.  Thanks to Richard Nakka for pointing out to me that my "dextrose" is actually dextrose monohydrate, with each dextrose molecule attaching to one water molecule accounting for 9 percent of its weight.  Thus this propellant is a bit oxidizer-rich, at 67.5 percent KNO3, 32.5% sugars.  

The difference is due in part to the elimination of Karo Syrup, which contains some sugars, and also my failure to account for the dextrose containing 9% water.  I had noticed that a burning strand forms little "pearls" of white fluid, which I had seen with variants having a high proportion of oxidizer.  In a static test, this propellant burned through the side of an aluminum motor case , making me realize that oxidizer-rich candy tends to burn hot, just as Mr. Nakka has indicated.  My traditional method with Karo Syrup is on the fuel-rich side, thus cooler-burning.

As a side-benefit, su/dx rcandy seems to be a bit less hygroscopic than that made with Karo Syrup.  This is perhaps because Karo contains fructose, as pointed-out by Mr Bill Westfield, which is more hygroscopic than sucrose or dextrose.


Tri-Sugar:  Sucrose, Dextrose and Fructose
Even better!  


In an effort to simulate corn syrup, I have been reverting to the original formula, but adding some dextrose and a little fructose to the mix.  I find this produces a much nicer texture than sucrose/dextrose alone, and is comparable to the original rcandy made with corn syrup.  The proportions are 64% KNO3, 28% sucrose, 6% dextrose, and 2% fructose.  


Here is the recipe:

100g KNO3
  44g sucrose
  10g dextrose
    3g fructose
    5 tablespoons (50ml) water  

This should yield a propellant with about 36% total sugar and 64% oxidizer, discounting any residual moisture.  Thus it would be slightly fuel-rich and thus cooler burning.


Golden Syrup Rcandy:  

Several correspondents have asked me if "golden syrup" might be used in place of corn syrup in the rcandy recipe.  It is specified as a replacement for corn syrup in many recipes, so would it work here?  I tried it, and it didn't work well at all.  Golden Syrup is "invert syrup."  That is, it is sucrose which has been partially broken down into its respective monosaccharides, fructose and glucose.  But apparently it was not inverted enough to be a direct substitute in the standard recipe, making a crumbly propellant

But today, whien entertaining this question from a new correspondent, I began to wonder if the proportions of sucrose, fructose and dextrose might be close enough to make good propellant.  Tried it, and it works!

100g KNO3
60g Lyle's Golden Syrup
100g hot water

Hot water, to dissolve the Golden Syrup and get it out of the weighing container.  Afterwards, it was processed with the electric skillet method, requiring about 30 minutes to get a good working texture.  It seemed a bit powdery at first, but with repeated stirring as it cooled, a very good texture was achieved.

Used in a 38-240 motor static test, this propellant burned at roughly half the speed of conventional rcandy.  This with just one test, so needs further testing to determine why.  
Hopefully this will be useful to some.  I will continue to experiment with su/dx and report any significant findings.
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93° 作者
14年5个月前 IP:未同步
198418
Re:[转]来自Jimmy大叔:No Karo? No Problem!
【9116】 = making
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y2k042000
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198425
Re:[转]来自Jimmy大叔:No Karo? No Problem!
好吧..金狮糖浆比karo貴...
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93°作者
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198426
虽然说我感到翻译无力。。。。
Karo Syrup is corn syrup.  Any other brand of corn syrup may be substituted for Karo.  

Karo是玉米糖浆,其他品牌的玉米糖浆应该可以替代Karo。

Dextrose may be substituted for Karo Syrup, yielding a very similar propellant.

葡萄糖可以代替Karo糖浆,制造出相似的推进剂

Fructose may be added, giving it even better texture.

可以增加果糖赋予更好的质感

Golden Syrup may be used by itself to make a good Rcandy.   [不明]

Also, I have heard that Glucose Syrup works just like corn syrup.  

另外,我听说葡萄糖浆同样可以使用。

KN/SU/DX

When I first released the recrystallization process to the Web, I was surprised that some correspondents in other countries asked:  "What is Karo Syrup?"  Well, it is a brand of light corn syrup, so common in the United States that it did not occur to me that corn syrup might be a novelty in other places.  Apparently it is.

当我第一次把重结晶制作过程公布在网路上的时候,我很惊讶其他国家的一些爱好者问“什么事Karo糖浆?”好吧,这是一种在美国通用的玉米糖浆品牌,我不认为它不存在与其他国家,不过显然。。。

Correspondents from several other countries could not find it.  A friend who went to vacation in Australia was sent to spy on the supermarkets, where she was unable to locate any brand of corn syrup.

其他国家的朋友也没有找到Karo,一个去澳洲的朋友在市场上也无法找到其他任何品牌的玉米糖浆。

Someone on SugPro (apologies, I forgot who) sent me the list of contents for Karo Syrup, indicating it is primarily water, dextrose, fructose, and lesser amounts of other sugars.  

有一个在SugPro上的人(抱歉我忘记是谁了)给了我Karo糖浆的配料,主要是水,葡萄糖,果糖和其他一些含量较小的东西。

Hoping that dextrose alone would offer the texturizing benefits of corn syrup, I tried this formula:

希望Karo的好处仅仅是提供葡萄糖。我根据这个配料:

100g KNO3
  30g sucrose
  20g dextrose
    5 tablespoons (50ml) water  

100克硝酸钾
  30克蔗糖
  20克葡萄糖
    5汤匙(50毫升)水

It is processed the same way as in the original recipe, brought to a boil, poured into glass pie pans, and cooked until dry.  The dry flakes are scraped up while hot, pressed into a cake, and kneaded until they consolidate and form a cohesive texture like clay or putty.  This SU/DX version is a little harder to consolidate than the traditional recipe, and required double-mixing.  By that I mean that when the propellant is dry enough to pass the "snap test" it should be scraped up and patted down as much as possible, returned to a 250 degree oven for 15 minutes or so, then worked again like a dough to develop its cohesive texture.

这里貌似没什么必要翻译。。。主要就是说比较难成型

算了………………不翻译了  耗时间 = =

When feeling lazy, I put the hot flakes in my food-processor, which assists in development of good texture.  Sometimes it was necessary to remove the propellant from the food-processor, return it to the oven to re-heat, and process again.

The proportions given here are subject to refinement.  Thanks to Richard Nakka for pointing out to me that my "dextrose" is actually dextrose monohydrate, with each dextrose molecule attaching to one water molecule accounting for 9 percent of its weight.  Thus this propellant is a bit oxidizer-rich, at 67.5 percent KNO3, 32.5% sugars.  

The difference is due in part to the elimination of Karo Syrup, which contains some sugars, and also my failure to account for the dextrose containing 9% water.  I had noticed that a burning strand forms little "pearls" of white fluid, which I had seen with variants having a high proportion of oxidizer.  In a static test, this propellant burned through the side of an aluminum motor case , making  me realize that oxidizer-rich candy tends to burn hot, just as Mr. Nakka has indicated.  My traditional method with Karo Syrup is on the fuel-rich side, thus cooler-burning.

As a side-benefit, su/dx rcandy seems to be a bit less hygroscopic than that made with Karo Syrup.  This is perhaps because Karo contains fructose, as pointed-out by Mr Bill Westfield, which is more hygroscopic than sucrose or dextrose.


Tri-Sugar:  Sucrose, Dextrose and Fructose
Even better!  


In an effort to simulate corn syrup, I have been reverting to the original formula, but adding some dextrose and a little fructose to the mix.  I find this produces a much nicer texture than sucrose/dextrose alone, and is comparable to the original rcandy made with corn syrup.  The proportions are 64% KNO3, 28% sucrose, 6% dextrose, and 2% fructose.  


Here is the recipe:

100g KNO3
  44g sucrose
  10g dextrose
    3g fructose
    5 tablespoons (50ml) water  

This should yield a propellant with about 36% total sugar and 64% oxidizer, discounting any residual moisture.  Thus it would be slightly fuel-rich and thus cooler burning.


Golden Syrup Rcandy:  

Several correspondents have asked me if "golden syrup" might be used in place of corn syrup in the rcandy recipe.  It is specified as a replacement for corn syrup in many recipes, so would it work here?  I tried it, and it didn't work well at all.  Golden Syrup is "invert syrup."  That is, it is sucrose which has been partially broken down into its respective monosaccharides, fructose and glucose.  But apparently it was not inverted enough to be a direct substitute in the standard recipe, making a crumbly propellant

But today, whien entertaining this question from a new correspondent, I began to wonder if the proportions of sucrose, fructose and dextrose might be close enough to make good propellant.  Tried it, and it works!

100g KNO3
60g Lyle's Golden Syrup
100g hot water

Hot water, to dissolve the Golden Syrup and get it out of the weighing container.  Afterwards, it was processed with the electric skillet method, requiring about 30 minutes to get a good working texture.  It seemed a bit powdery at first, but with repeated stirring as it cooled, a very good texture was achieved.

Used in a 38-240 motor static test, this propellant burned at roughly half the speed of conventional rcandy.  This with just one test, so needs further testing to determine why.  
Hopefully this will be useful to some.  I will continue to experiment with su/dx and report any significant findings.
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y2k042000
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198427
Re:[转]来自Jimmy大叔:No Karo? No Problem!
93您那有karo賣了?怎么這么久还沒用完//
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198428
Re:[转]来自Jimmy大叔:No Karo? No Problem!
Golden Syrup may be used by itself to make a good Rcandy.  [不明]
金黃糖浆可以單獨用來做燃料
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198429
Re:Re:[转]来自Jimmy大叔:No Karo? No Problem!
引用第4楼y2k042000于2010-03-06 18:55发表的 Re:[转]来自Jimmy大叔:No Karo? No Problem! :
93您那有karo賣了?怎么這么久还沒用完//

。。。。我一直在用KNDX,所以不用加Karo = =

引用第5楼y2k042000于2010-03-06 18:56发表的 Re:[转]来自Jimmy大叔:No Karo? No Problem! :
Golden Syrup may be used by itself to make a good Rcandy.  [不明]
金黃糖浆可以單獨用來做燃料


哦哦 。。。果真如此 多谢指教 = -
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198430
Re:[转]来自Jimmy大叔:No Karo? No Problem!
Karo Syrup is corn syrup.  Any other brand of corn syrup may be substituted for Karo.  

karo 糖浆是玉米糖浆。其他牌子的应该也可以代替karo.

Dextrose may be substituted for Karo Syrup, yielding a very similar propellant.

Dextrose应该可以代替karo糖浆产生近似的推进效果。

Fructose may be added, giving it even better texture.

可以加入fructose以获得更好的质感。

Golden Syrup may be used by itself to make a good Rcandy.

加入golden 糖浆(?)用于做Rcandy是不错的。

Also, I have heard that Glucose Syrup works just like corn syrup.  

啊对了,我听人家说葡萄糖浆和玉米糖浆烧起来差不多。
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